UNC and Duke

[pvfan]

the point is nobody has anything on Calapari

with the vacated wins and such, you dont think if the NCAA really had something, they wouldnt slam Calapari down?

with Dajuan Wagner:
he hired his dad to be involed with the memphis program. how many other schools do that? tons. it happens all the time.

Derrick Rose:
before he got to Memphis, someone took the SAT for him and he used it to get into school. is that Cal's doing? no one has ever proved that, there is no evidence to support that

Marcus Camby took money from an agent, Calapari was not involved in that, there was never anything linking Camby taking money to Cal

Seriously, all I can do is laugh.

[yankeebaseball]

you really think allen houstons dad was tn first choice of coach?

please, thats the one thing that bothers me about sports. there is so much under the table things, so many things you could sit and pick apart about any ncaa coach. with the atmosphere in the sports world, its tough to tell who you are dealing with, even outside of Cal, Im not saying he is a saint and he hasnt done something questionable or even wrong.
I just dont think you can show me a coach who has done something like he has been said to do, or did, something comparable or even things worse.

[Biggin]

you really think allen houstons dad was tn first choice of coach?

please, thats the one thing that bothers me about sports. there is so much under the table things, so many things you could sit and pick apart about any ncaa coach. with the atmosphere in the sports world, its tough to tell who you are dealing with, even outside of Cal, Im not saying he is a saint and he hasnt done something questionable or even wrong.
I just dont think you can show me a coach who has done something like he has been said to do, or did, something comparable or even things worse.

thats a great point, and people overlook it because they enjoy taking down a coach.

this kind of crap happens everywhere, and to assume it doesnt is as silly as me assuming Cal has been perfectly innocent.

Lemme ask you something:
when Tee Martin took money in college, do you think Fulmer was immediately involved? Do you hold Fulmer as responsible for that like you do Calapari?

[pvfan]

UT is shady, UK is shady, UCONN is shady, USC is shady, etc. To say it happens everywhere is wrong, I don't like Coach K or Duke at all but you don't hear about this. Same can be said for Gary Williams at Maryland. It's a dirty game and has caused me to lose some of my interest in NCAA Athletics as I have aged.

[yankeebaseball]

You do realize what they punished John Wall for is the exact same thing the kid for Duke did dont you? He was Wall's teamate. How is UK shady? Explain that to me, thats hilarious. I know the Billy G years and Tubby run had just limitless talent and blue chip players on the roster. Was there ever any questions while Pitino was there? While Joe B Hall was there? Eddie Sutton, yeah, he was a douche when he was OK State and had his issues there. Again, I suggest you look into what happened while he was at UK.

And whats shady? Kids who have "handlers" when they are 13? What do you do, avoid those players, you think the kids who play for Duke, UNC, UCONN, Texas, UCLA, Alabama, Maryland, Rhode Island (yeah, Harrick and Lamar Odom). If you really believe that none of the schools have accepted kids who havent had something questionable come up? Then, you just have a distorted reality of things. Especially with college basketball and AAU. Whats shady, mistreatment of kids like Bob Knight? Whats shady the kids at Michigan taking money, from outside sources? Whats shady sweeping under the rug of things players do and get tangled in the law. No program is free, no program is clean, I refuse to believe that coaches and programs can control what a kid does with outside influences. I am not even just defending Cal, but corruption is not limited to a few. Like I said, he isnt a saint, he is prob even guilty of some of the allegations. But I would venture to say more are guilty than innocent. Its a business. Plain and simple.

[Biggin]

UT is shady, UK is shady, UCONN is shady, USC is shady, etc. To say it happens everywhere is wrong, I don't like Coach K or Duke at all but you don't hear about this. Same can be said for Gary Williams at Maryland. It's a dirty game and has caused me to lose some of my interest in NCAA Athletics as I have aged.

you could not possibly be more wrong about Duke

does Corey Maggette ring a bell?

people have this false sense that Duke is so clean and never did anything wrong, its because the NCAA does its best to try and keep Duke clean. How many wins did they forfeit, even though Maggette was ineligble??? None

No matter if he was enrolled or not, Maggette took money while an amateur, he went to Duke and played, therefore Duke should have to forfeit games.

So Coach K gets a pass for that, yet you hold Marcus Camby against Calapari?

Maryland got into trouble with the NCAA in the late 80's as well, but nothing under Gary has ever been investigated. If Stephenson would have ended up there, I doubt you could still say that.

but to act like Duke and Coach K are totally innocent is not true

[gcdevil22]

just because other schools do it doesn't make Calipari any less shady...

the NCAA has never done anything to William Wesley because they flat out can't....they have no jurisdiction over him, they would LOVE to keep him out of the NCAA, and there is actually a ban from any NCAA school hiring him, but that's all they can do

Wesley's relationship with the people you mentioned happened after said people had become famous, they weren't doing anything against any rules because the no rule that says you can't give an NBA player or former President money

Calipari has skirted NCAA sanctions by leaving IMMEDIATELY when learning of the allegations...UMass to NJ Nets...Memphis to UK...UK to ???

there is a stipulation in the rules that if a coach (who is a part of the program being investigated) is no longer a part of the program, he does not have to turn over any records to the NCAA regarding their investigation...so Calipari has gotten out of this twice by bolting during an investigation

the rule was put in place to keep from further hurting coaches who had been fired as the result of a school's investigation...the rule should be changed to read that a fired coach can't be investigated but a coach who leaves on his own will can be investigated...but there's a TON of NCAA rules that need to be re-done or thrown out

the NCAA has taken a step to stop some of Calipari's (and MANY other shady coach's) dealings...they are passing a rule that makes it illegal to hire someone for a camp who is not already on staff at an NCAA school or enrolled in the school for a full year of the program hosting the camp...many coaches were bringin in the parent or high school coach or handler or a prospect and paying them 1,500 dollars when the going rate is around 300-400 per camp...many times the prospect's rep wouldnt even work at the camp, just watch

it's a good rule, but it takes away the opportunity for kids to go to other schools and work their camps like I have done the last two years and make contacts...fortunately the rule will not apply to me, but it really would have hurt me for the rule to be in place say, two years ago...

[yankeebaseball]

well if UK goes down in flames they will. until then they are undefeated and ranked #1
until the ncaa makes it plain rules, thaat if you deal with an agent or your aau coach gets paid then it is what it is. regardless, if you think with all the kids going to these schools and all these kids with the world promised to them and the leeches around them, that someone isnt giving them money or "guidance" you are kidding yourself.

John Calipari = The Hitler of NCAA basketball.
John Calipairi (CAL-ah-Pear-e)
def: shady. to be every thing that is wrong with something in the world; to be used as an example for an occurrence that happens in many places but is only referred to as one person.
In a sentence: "Lets go sit under a tree where its John Calipari and the sun will not be on us"

[Biggin]

just because other schools do it doesn't make Calipari any less shady...

the NCAA has never done anything to William Wesley because they flat out can't....they have no jurisdiction over him, they would LOVE to keep him out of the NCAA, and there is actually a ban from any NCAA school hiring him, but that's all they can do

Wesley's relationship with the people you mentioned happened after said people had become famous, they weren't doing anything against any rules because the no rule that says you can't give an NBA player or former President money

Calipari has skirted NCAA sanctions by leaving IMMEDIATELY when learning of the allegations...UMass to NJ Nets...Memphis to UK...UK to ???

there is a stipulation in the rules that if a coach (who is a part of the program being investigated) is no longer a part of the program, he does not have to turn over any records to the NCAA regarding their investigation...so Calipari has gotten out of this twice by bolting during an investigation

the rule was put in place to keep from further hurting coaches who had been fired as the result of a school's investigation...the rule should be changed to read that a fired coach can't be investigated but a coach who leaves on his own will can be investigated...but there's a TON of NCAA rules that need to be re-done or thrown out

the NCAA has taken a step to stop some of Calipari's (and MANY other shady coach's) dealings...they are passing a rule that makes it illegal to hire someone for a camp who is not already on staff at an NCAA school or enrolled in the school for a full year of the program hosting the camp...many coaches were bringin in the parent or high school coach or handler or a prospect and paying them 1,500 dollars when the going rate is around 300-400 per camp...many times the prospect's rep wouldnt even work at the camp, just watch

it's a good rule, but it takes away the opportunity for kids to go to other schools and work their camps like I have done the last two years and make contacts...fortunately the rule will not apply to me, but it really would have hurt me for the rule to be in place say, two years ago...

im still waiting for you to tell me what Calapari did wrong at UMass and Memphis.

If Cal is just running from trouble, what trouble did he cause???

Did he give Camby the money? Did he take the SAT for Rose??